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leverage finale

our collective sounds of joy because it's awesome and then sadness because it's over can be heard from way over there! things i loved: sophie coming back to save the day in the end! parker parker parker, how so awesome! and also a little gay? she's a little gay right? i think so! all the children are sad because mommy left and daddy reacted by starting to drink again. oh nate, your children are falling apart can't you see? also hardison looking like a million dollars in that suit, and eliot just counting down the number of people on the boat. HOW SO AWESOME, SHOW.

i think my favorite thing about this show is how consistent it is when it comes to characterization. so many shows have this tendency to have all the men suddenly know kung-fu, or know how to use a weapon, and really that is just not the case. hardison is never going to be good at beating people up, and nate just doesn't feel the need to when he has eliot, and that's fine, that's how their team works. and i also love that the so-called muscle is an equal and valid part of the team (i mention this because of that shit angel sub-plot in s3 or s4? where fucking gunn suddenly gets a complex because he's not a science geek as if the numerous skills he picked up from being a vampire hunter on the streets are suddenly worthless? um, no no and no.) I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH OH MY GOD.



in supernatural/heroes crossover news, apparently the most discussed details of the entire fic are what clothes peter wears, and what hairstyle he has (emo bangs vs. not so emo bangs. vs. naked in a container crew cut), and also us coming to the conclusion that peter's bowlegged walk being identical to dean's clearly means they were always meant to be switched-at-birth brothers because HOW HILARIOUS IS THAT to see them walking down the street together, peter being one full frame size smaller than dean but exactly the same. no-one will ever question them being related to one another even though they look nothing alike! although to be fair sam looks nothing at all like dean either. and on the sam and nathan side, we spend an inordinate amount of time going to gq.com dressing sam up like a public-defender cum trust fund baby who loves his big brother but feels he needs to dress slightly edgier because nathan's a little to staid for him.

yes, we don't actually ever think about things like plot, or characterization, just clothes and hairstyles. you know, THE IMPORTANT THINGS.

also ru paul's drag race is the BEST SHOW EVER WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME THIS EARLIER OH MY GOD!

cm

Date: 2010-02-19 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lassiterfics.livejournal.com
LOL WHY IS THIS CROSSOVER NOT ALREADY ON MY SCREEN SO I CAN READ IT FOREVER

Date: 2010-02-19 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
BECAUSE IT SUCKS AND IT WILL NEVER BE FINISHED THAT'S WHY I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH PETER'S GREAT "OH BY THE WAY DEAN I HAVE SUPERPOWERS BUT GOOD NEWS IT'S NOT DEMON RELATED!' SPEECH TO DEAN AND DEAN GOING:" BACK, FOUL THING, BACK!" AND THEN LIKE "OH IT'S OKAY BECAUSE YOU'RE MY BROTHER!"

too much canon, not enough time! IS AWFUL. FUCK IT I'LL JUST WRITE THE PORN.

Date: 2010-02-19 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lassiterfics.livejournal.com
But once he douses Peter with holy water and tries to exorcise him, he'll see that Peter's not demonic! And he's not angelic because the holy fire doesn't trap him. So he's totes human -- he's just weird! And Dean knew that already. And Dean can enter overprotective "shit, can't let other hunters find out about you" mode a la Season 1!

Date: 2010-02-19 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
THAT IS REALLY USEFUL ADVICE ILU! (but also: holy water in the face, how hunters say hello! poor peter!) ...but oh god don't make me watch s1-s3 again i have this HORRIBLE FEELING I NEED TO INSTEAD OF JUST WATCHING S4 for the whole yellow-eyed demon arc. CRIES. I HAVE TO REDOWNLOAD EVERYTHING I ONLY KEPT S4 and S5!

peter <---just really weird, tots true.

i feel all our explanations so far with regards to peter is basically dean going: BUT IT'S PETER. MINE. EVERYONE BTFU.

...they are not sleeping together, even.

Date: 2010-02-19 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lassiterfics.livejournal.com
ANYTIME. srsly. I love playing around with this stuff, you know me.

holy water in the face, how hunters say hello!
lol truth! I read a fic where at hunter bars, they make the ice out of holy water. If that's not canon, it should be. My feelings on S1-3 can be summed up as: meh. I feel you on the YED, it's like the coherence of his motives has been buried under miles of gore and Wincest. Maybe I'll look him up on the SPN Wiki someday.

BUT IT'S PETER. MINE. EVERYONE BTFU.
But replace 'Peter' with anyone else Dean rolls with and it's still true! Sam! Cas! Bobby!

...they are not sleeping together, even.
Is there supposed to be a 'yet' in that sentence. Are Nathan and Sam sleeping together?

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Date: 2010-02-19 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
we don't actually ever think about things like plot, or characterization

Ahaha fuck you, YOU MADE ME START WATCHING SPN FOR THIS AND NOW I CAN'T STOP. IT'S EEEEEVIL. You just don't want to admit how much time we spend discussing Dean Winchester's ~feelings, really. It's called denial dude.

And oh man, now I wish we had saved all those Fashion Week links somewhere for reference. By reference I mean, "look at pretty suits and imagine Nathan in them", but the point stands.

PS. LEVERAGE WHY DON'T YOU HAVE LONGER SEASONS WE WILL MISS YOU *SO* MUCH.
Edited Date: 2010-02-19 02:09 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-19 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lassiterfics.livejournal.com
"AND NOW I CAN'T STOP" sums up my SPN experience pretty accurately.

Date: 2010-02-19 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
OH STFU BITCH YOU LOVE IT OKAY. YOU'RE LIKE "CAN IT BE SPN TIME NOW!" LIKE AT LEAST I WATCH IT FOR THE GORE AND THE VIOLENCE AND THE HORROR? YOU? YOU WATCH IT FOR DEAN'S EMO TEARS, DON'T FRONT.

cm

Date: 2010-02-19 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
OUR VIEWING EXPERIENCE AHAHA. "Okay I will stop watching now, tell me when we're done with the gore, okay thank you, oh haha let's make a drinking game out of everytime someone says the word bitch oh wait lost track, wow did they really just go there I think they did, oh hi female character bye female character, tell me when the gore is done with, oh god is Dean actually a kinda interesting character maybe, will you still loving me if I think he is, oh episode is over well that was certainly uplifting!" Idek how you put up with me.

We can read up on S1-3 on the wiki, surely? I MEAN SURELY.

Date: 2010-02-19 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anansie-s.livejournal.com
Not reading the Leverage stuff because I'm several episodes behind (BTW, yes I see what you mean about Eliot's hair getting to be better than most girls') but HAHAHAHA, the bowlegged walks. I should watch at least one ep of SPN, maybe.

Did you watch the 'untucked' portion of Drag Race??? Hoooooly shit, they were so mean to Mystique, I felt really bad for her. But I'm beginning to like a lot of them much more than I did. Good lord that was the weirdest episode. Fried cow brains? Seriously?

Date: 2010-02-19 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anansie-s.livejournal.com
PS, am working on betaing kidfic later this afternoon after work, will get back to you tonight! :)

Date: 2010-02-20 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
oh whee, thank you so much!

ps also because i don't want to edit the other comment, no i did not watch untucked! i thought it was going to be just drama and so i didn't. perhaps i will, i've not deleted the file yet! also yes...that was just a weird episode. i'm going through s1 now? sorry i can never remember names at ALL, but the dude with the tattoos? super-hot holy shit. ur, that's all i have to say, really. but omg.

Date: 2010-02-20 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anansie-s.livejournal.com
A lot of them had tattoos, I think ... If you mean the one with the puerto rican accent who wears a lot of tall mohawky wigs, thats Nina Flowers, my favourite! Or or, Ongina, the little one with the tiny hats? (icon)

Date: 2010-02-20 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
omg yes nina flowers i find her super hot i hope she doesn't go home soon! ah, i know the seaon's already over but i'm still on like, episode two?

i love ongina. i think she won me over the second she explained her name.

Date: 2010-02-20 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
I should watch at least one ep of SPN, maybe.

oh good lord no. or at the very least pick your episodes carefully. you want to avoid the extremely faily ones (of which there are plenty!), where random women/POC die horribly, or the ones where dean calls a woman a bitch for existing and not agreeing with him, and after that it's just about how much gore/crack you can handle. like do you want to watch the one where they discuss fanfiction written about Sam and Dean from the Supernatural books about their lives that were written by a prophet (the Book of Sam and Dean, literally. CANONICAL BIBLE SLASH FTW)? or do you want to watch the one where people literally eat each other? you see, you must consider the episode you want to watch carefully!

Date: 2010-02-20 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anansie-s.livejournal.com
Hmmm never mind then! Sounds a little too dudeish. Some friends of mine were demanding I watch Veronica Mars - they say it's the most feminist TV show there's been and that I'd love K Bell's clothes, so I think I'll check that out post-deadlines. Thanks for the SPN un-reccommendation! :D

Date: 2010-02-20 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
oh aha yes i feel that supernatural is a very dudeish show? and yet like, it is pretty much MADE FOR WOMEN. even the show's creators know that, and fanservice is pretty much the order of the day, half the time. so in that sense, yay? but they're so offensive on every other level, so

veronica mars is awesome! aw, i love it and kristen bell! it's not perfect? but utterly charming nonetheless. you should watch! <3

(ps. eliot's hair is it not amazing y/y? like love it. this show! ahem...apparently cannot find the correct place to answer comments so i just, hi!)

Date: 2010-02-19 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-miso.livejournal.com
yes, we don't actually ever think about things like plot, or characterization, just clothes and hairstyles. you know, THE IMPORTANT THINGS.

Ahahaha! Ahem, well, don't be so hard on yourselves guys. You *are* thinking about characterisation, in a way. Because surely the decision about whether Peter is his usual dark-hoodie wearing, emo-banged self depends on how growing up in a different (perhaps more loving, but physically tougher) environment has changed him? Nature versus nurture and all that. And whether Dean would put up with the emo-bangs, or think they were too tempting to pull on girly. But no, wait. Sam's always had ridiculously floppy hair (poor guy - it looks like the sort of hair that just does what it wants. Possessed, perhaps?) and canon!Dean doesn't complain about that. And visiting gq.com to dress Sam and Nathan is legitimate research! The plot discussions can wait while you complete such important tasks, surely.

However, I feel the question of whether Peter should, at some point, be chained half-naked in a shipping container is quite redundant. Because the answer is always: OMFG YES. Even if it makes no sense in the context of the story itself, naked!bondage!Peter is always welcome (thank you S2 and early S3). I'm only half kidding about this.

Date: 2010-02-20 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
But no, wait. Sam's always had ridiculously floppy hair

see yes? i was thinking about this and then i thought hey, sam always had so much hair. but then it wasn't peter's EMO bangs you know? darling mimesh has decided that he will be v4 peter during coyote sands? which yes, so very very hot and kind of hard and damaged?

However, I feel the question of whether Peter should, at some point, be chained half-naked in a shipping container is quite redundant. Because the answer is always: OMFG YES. Even if it makes no sense in the context of the story itself, naked!bondage!Peter is always welcome (thank you S2 and early S3). I'm only half kidding about this

just for you? YES OKAY.

Date: 2010-02-20 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-miso.livejournal.com
darling mimesh has decided that he will be v4 peter during coyote sands? which yes, so very very hot and kind of hard and damaged?

Yes, that! Mimesh is kind of a genius.

YES OKAY.

Haha, \o/!

Date: 2010-02-20 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
it will be an outtake, clearly. from the deanandpeter case-files, where peter gets trapped in a container by a hungry um, shipping port-dwelling monster of the week and it is up to dean to rescue his half-naked, lubed-up tied-up brother! poor demon, it won't know what hit it once dean goes after it for daring to think his darling peter could be dinner.

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Date: 2010-02-20 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mimesh.livejournal.com
Why do you have to write so much when I don't have time? I can't keep up with you guys!

Okay, first: YOU ARE NOT SCRAPPING ANYTHING! I want to read those 11000+ words and I'm sure it's awesome and I'm already going crazy with graphic ideas!

For some reason I'm totally hung up on the idea of manipping an old photograph out of these pictures for an imaginary Dean/Peter childhood flashback, even though I haven't read anything yet.

And that Sylar pyre at the end of Vol.4 totally lends itself for some Dean/Peter ghost burning manip.. and... Sam and Nathan in suits... and...

Date: 2010-02-20 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
Why do you have to write so much when I don't have time? I can't keep up with you guys!

at this point it's a lot of talk about writing and not a lot of writing! i'm letting it sit, at some point, hopefully, my subconscious will throw up something that i can make into fic. i still will try my best to give you something this weekend though, but possibly without the flashbacks yet because we're working on how to write those without interrupting the narrative flow? the plan right now is to actually have them in a separate linked document like appendixes. because yes, we are Those People. ahem.

oh gosh that is such a lovely and perfect child for peter.

i love you, oh gosh! i hope you don't hate the fic when it comes to you, it's really raw right now!

Date: 2010-02-20 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mimesh.livejournal.com
Haha, no, I mean writing/commenting/posting much in general. I don't mind, if you write much FIC at all! ;)

And don't stress yourself. I don't need a coherent fic at all to make graphics. Quite the contrary, I usually get inspired by small scenes, mental images or the overall atmosphere. And like you may have noticed in this case, my imagination is already running crazy just with the rough idea of this fic.

Sadly I can't take credit for finding this cute boy for Peter, that did someone else but I have since made him my personal canon for child!Peter.

Date: 2010-02-20 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com
Haha, no, I mean writing/commenting/posting much in general. I don't mind, if you write much FIC at all! ;)

ahahem um, it's almost as if i'm unemployed and co-journaller's avoiding work! ahem. i've not been working for more than half a year, hi. usually when i work i post/comment/write rather sporadically, honestly, because i'm gone twelve-thirteen hours a day. ahem...sorry for spamming you guys everywhere!

And like you may have noticed in this case, my imagination is already running crazy just with the rough idea of this fic.

ino it's amazing i am omg so looking forward to the graphics you have no idea! you're so talented!

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